Just Today: New The Winds of Winter Chapter

grrm-winds-of-winterAn hour ago, George RR Martin released a new The Winds of Winter chapter on his website. It is from Alayne’s point of view. Here is the link. Enjoy!

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Jamie Adair is the editor of History Behind Game of Thrones, a website about the history behind George RR Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels and the hit TV show, "Game of Thrones."

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  • Reply April 2, 2015

    Watcher on the Couch

    Does anyone know if this is a wholly new chapter or one of those pushed back from ADWD? I read/listened to the books after having my interest whetted by the TV show but now I have caught up (with the books published to date) it does seem a long, long wait for the next (book) instalment.

  • Reply April 2, 2015

    Jamie Adair

    I believe it is a new chapter. I haven’t read it yet – I wrote the post on my iPhone while getting ready for work this morning. However, I saw somebody discussing it on Reddit and they said GRRM published it an hour ago and some people already started analyzing it.

    • Reply April 10, 2015

      timetravellingbunny

      We know he pushed one Sansa chapter from ADWD to TWOW, and this is obviously the chapter that follows Sansa’s last AFFC chapter, so yes, that’s the chapter that was originally meant to be in ADWD. It’s also obvious that it’s supposed to be happening around the same time or before Cersei’s arrest, since the word of it still hadn’t reached Sansa (who knows about, for instance, Cersei asking for Tyrion’s head, and that many dwarfs had been killed because of it).

      It’s also the same chapter that Elio Garcia read years ago and said may be “controversial in some corners of the fandom”, which is hilarious because there’s nothing controversial about it.

      • Reply April 10, 2015

        Chas D.

        The reason Elio Garcia said that was that Sansa was developing as her sexuality as a human being and nowhere does she think of a particular person whom half the fandom likes to pair her with. That’s why he said it might be “controversial” to some members of the fandom.

        • Reply April 10, 2015

          timetravellingbunny

          Yes, I know, since he said that, but that only makes it more puzzling, since it shows that Elio has some really odd ideas about the fandom, and also some odd ideas about what “sexuality” means. For starters, Sansa is hardly “developing her sexuality” in this chapter. She thinks about Harry being handsome and some other dudes looking like this or that, and that’s about it. There’s no yearning or sex fantasy of falling in love. She’s thought about guys being handsome or not dozens of times before, since AGOT. The only change is that she’s now sassier and better at flirting and manipulating people, including clueless womanizing dudes, for political purposes. Which has very little to do with her sexuality, especially compared to some of the previous chapters that actually showed desire, like her make-out fantasy about Loras in ASOS Sansa I, her UnKiss fake memories (ASOS Sansa II, AFFC Alayne II) and her very sexual dream about Sandor as well as her general thoughts about sex in ASOS Sansa VI.

          Secondly, the idea that SanSan shippers would be outraged by Sansa not thinking about Sandor in every single chapter (in spite of the fact that there were a couple in ASOS where I’m pretty sure she did not – come on, GRRM is not going to be that damn repetitive and beat you over the head with things, he’s trying to be subtle), or that they think she must think of him every time she looks at a guy or flirts strategically, is downright hilarious and shows a profound misconception about the fandom. Or, to put it simply, Elio tried to take a rather petty dig at the SanSan shippers and it backfired spectacularly, leading to hype and crazy speculation about Sansa beng raped by LF, Sansa poisoning SR, etc. And lo and behold, none of the SanSan shippers found the chapter even mildly upsetting or controversial, because, guess what, they’re not actually as crazy as Elio imagined them to be.

        • Reply April 10, 2015

          timetravellingbunny

          Or, I should add, the only thing that’s controversial about the chapter, with SanSan shippers or anyone else, is Elio’s statement. I’ve seen a couple of SanSan shippers comment that Elio’s statement, was, now that we know what it was about, pretty insulting. In the “oh, I bet they’ll be livid because they’re such crazies, ha ha!” sort of way.

          I also have to laugh at the fact that Elio hadn’t read “Mercy” when he said that – and then, when that chapter was released, and was, of course, far more “controversial” than the utterly non-controversial Sansa chapter, quite a few fans were assuming that Elio had read both, and started wondering: “OMG, what horrors could be happening in Sansa’s chapter, if Elio thinks it’s more controversial than Mercy?!” Cue even crazier speculation of rape, child murder, child abuse and what not…

          • April 11, 2015

            Chas D.

            To be quite honest, with the amount of crazy in general that I’ve come across on westeros (dot) com’s forums, I’m not surprised he could think something like that in general. Though specifically targeting one group like that? Bad move. But then I’ve found over the twenty plus years I’ve been on it, that the Internet likes to enable people to leave their conscience and superego in reality, when they would otherwise benefit from their conscience and superego telling them to shut their mouths from time to time. It may not look it, but there are other people on the other side of that block of text, and that’s something rather easy to forget on the Internet, as it stands.

      • Reply April 11, 2015

        Watcher on the Couch

        Oh I’m disappointed Bunny – I actually thought GRRM might be making real progress with the next book.

        • Reply April 11, 2015

          Chas D.

          Supposedly he says he is, but that his publishers urged him to post this chapter now. Personally, like the Mercy chapter last season, I think that he only did it because some element in the chapter will make it into Season 5, and GRRM wanted to make sure we knew he’d thought of it first.

          But beyond my suspicions, he does say he’s making good progress and estimates that it’ll be out next year–which supposedly means something considering he doesn’t like estimating things like that without good cause to do so. He even is excited by the prospect of a new twist for a “long time character” that would have effects for mostly three or four characters that he’s unsure of whether or not to include, but is still excited by the prospect.

          So I’d say he’s making progress, and is enjoying his writing overall.

        • Reply April 11, 2015

          timetravellingbunny

          I’m sure he is making progress, he’s cancelled all his con appearances and other obligations and more or less promised the book will be out the next year. But that has nothing to do with which chapters he releases. Teaser chapters are always the early ones in the book that follow up from the earlier book. You didn’t really expect him to release some chapter from the middle of the book that spoils a bunch of things, did you?

          • April 12, 2015

            Watcher on the Couch

            Do be honest, Bunny, I really don’t know what to expect from GRRM. In all honesty, I don’t want to be “spoiled” but then I am as keen as the next person to find out what happens next so I find myself in a dilemma, should I read that pesky but oh-so-tempting teaser chapter or rein in my curiosity until TWOW comes out….whenever….if I am still on the planet then.

          • April 12, 2015

            Watcher on the Couch

            Bunny, lest you think I was insulting you, I meant to say – and thought I had said – “To be honest” rather than “Do be honest”. I’m always hopeless at proofreading my own typing – though I am very good at finding other folks’ mistakes – wonder why.

          • April 12, 2015

            Jamie Adair

            On a slightly different note, I actually feel sorry for him. As somebody whose day job is as a writer, deadline pressure can be terrible (although you do get used to it). However, I think it would be an awful lot of pressure to be working on such a complex novel with so much worldwide expectation and to have a TV show nipping at your heels.

  • Reply April 3, 2015

    Jun

    I am not sure how much the TV series and book series will spoil each other any more, as they seem to be forking down different paths from Season 5 onward.

    • Reply April 4, 2015

      Jamie Adair

      I read that just today actually. It would make sense if Season 5 goes on a significantly different path than the books.

      • Reply April 7, 2015

        Chas D.

        If you dissect frame shots from trailers and have been following casting and shooting location news… It’s not so much that things will be changing but that they’ll be reducing and combining where they can. One example I can think of but won’t go into any detail of is Sansa’s plot line. If you dissect the trailer they’ve given us, they actually spoil what they’re going to do with her plot line in that trailer–and it’s nothing that we haven’t already read in the books, just not with Sansa’s character.

        Just like how they narrowed Brienne’s AFFC and Sandor’s ASOS plot lines so that they coincided (since Brienne’s AFFC plot line involved a bunch of minor characters that the show has left out), likewise it appears that the show has retooled a plot point since they left out some minor characters, by giving those minor characters’ plot points to more major characters.

        For the large part the major beats of the series are going to be hit (GRRM has shared that much with D&D), and will continue to do so. It’s just the journey and the devilish details of how each gets to those major beats that’ll diverge–which IMO isn’t so much “changing things” as adapting where it’s necessary.

        • Reply April 7, 2015

          Jamie Adair

          I’ve been toying with dissecting the trailer myself, but I haven’t yet. I am *quite* curious about the new season. I have to admit that I don’t necessarily mind how the show and the books are different in some ways. I like being surprised.

          ===SPOILER===

          I’m really hoping the show doesn’t spoil the books too much. There are some book things I’d desperately like to find out — such as stuff about the Wall (I don’t want to be more specific than that) in ADWD.

          I agree with your point about “adapting.” In university I took a literature course on film adaptations vs novels. As a result, I really try to embrace the separate but equal genres as much as possible since they are different creatures.

          • April 8, 2015

            Chas D.

            It’s really season six I think everyone has to be concerned about for the large part. While we might be getting some TWOW big moments (especially concerning Brienne’s plot line), for the large part season five I feel will use up the rest of AFFC and ADWD that they haven’t already used on the show.

            —SPOILER/SPECULATION—

            And just to speculate I think the Frey Wedding at Riverrun that’s set to take place in TWOW we can already guess how it’ll be adapted in the TV show. We’ve been told by the actor who plays Walder Frey that he was told he’d return in season six. In the TV show, Walder’s young wife was killed (when she wasn’t in the book), so instead of Frey #12325 getting married to Lannister #23485, it’ll be Walder and some other Lannister who’s likely to come out of this season having been cast or recast even.

            That’s one plot point of Season six we can speculate about at this point.

  • Reply April 3, 2015

    Jun

    By the way, Jamie have you seen the article by Margaret Atwood on Game of Thrones in the Guardian newspaper? (http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/mar/22/margaret-atwood-on-game-of-thrones-season-five) She hit all the major historical and other links to GoT series: the War of Roses, French royalty (the Accursed Kings by Druon), Elizabeth I, Freud, and, of course, Shakespeare! Awesome.

  • Reply April 4, 2015

    Patricia O

    I looked at the article you linked, Jun. Interesting. I don’t know about the idea that ASOIAF was inspired by Ryder Haggard’s “King Solomon’s Mines”. I hated having to study that book at school (how the heck a boys’ book came to be on the syllabus of a girls’ convent school I haven’t the foggiest). But maybe another poster will have a view on how Ryder Haggard may have inspired the ASOIAF series. And being obliged to study a book at school does not always make one fond of a book. Though I didn’t hate Ryder Haggard’s work the way I loathed the books by Joseph Conrad that I was forced to read as a pupil. I would NEVER pick up a Joseph Conrad book for pleasure or for a challenging read or for any other reason (though I’m told “Apocolypse Now” was inspired by Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness”).

  • Reply April 5, 2015

    Watcher on the Couch

    While I recognise book Sansa was becoming more savvy by the end of AFFC, I will saddened if the show makes her markedly “Dark Sansa”. One characteristic I liked about book Sansa (and to a certain extent show Sansa) was that she retained some compassion even when unpleasant things had happened to her. I don’t want to post potential spoilers, but will say that there has been some speculation that the parts of the story pertaining to a Hooded Lady who it seems is not appearing in the show. I will be disappointed if this happens. I think it will be the change I hate the most since

    TV SPOILERS for series 2

    Jeyne Westerling was changed into Talisa and since they made Jaime into a cousin killer. He didn’t kill the cousin in the book, though the book cousin had a different name.

    • Reply April 7, 2015

      Jamie Adair

      Watcher,
      On a completely different note I thought of you the other day because I was rereading first A Feast for Crows and then parts of A Dance with Dragons. I started thinking about Shireen and Melisandre…

      –Spoiler alert/ TV Spoiler / ADWD —
      I read a few things that make it almost certain, IMO, that Melisandre is angling for Shireen to be her back-up plan for king’s blood. Then I had this crazy notion – embarrassed to admit this — that Shireen might turn into a dragon if she was burned because of the greyscale. Yes, that’s crazy and embarrassing! I was thinking about Val and her comments about the greyscale… But again — a crazy theory.

      BTW, anyone reading this thread. I’m experimenting with a new spoiler plugin. I’ve added it into some older articles where there are spoilers. But, apparently it does not work in comments.

  • Reply April 5, 2015

    Watcher on the Couch

    Edit to the above. Should be “will be saddened”

    • Reply April 12, 2015

      Watcher on the Couch

      No, no, Shireen must be left alone!!!! Melisandre beware of Watcher on the Couch if you harm a hair on Shireen’s head!!! As if GRRM would take any notice of me………….but Jamie, I think we all have our crazy theories occasionally. Apparently somewhere there is a Varys is a Merman theory (though I did wonder – and discard – a thought about Varys being a woman [probably fuelled by a youthful dipping into Dennis Wheatley’s “The Eunuch of Stamboul”]). I may have mentioned that on another thread – if so apologies for Seniorentis Momentitis.

      PROBABLY NOT A SPOILER BECAUSE MY “THEORIES” HAVE TO DATE BEEN WRONG [AT LEAST IN
      THE ASOIAF ENVIRONMENT BUT I’M DOING THIS JUST IN CASE

      I had a theory, or perhaps a “wish” more exactly, that Dany might fly over on Drogon at a dire moment for Shireen (though to date Book Dany has been nowhere near the wall and Show Dany only went there in the House of the Undying vision and not in person) and rescue Shireen, and that (if the witch’s prophecy that Dany can’t have anymore children remains consistent) Dany might adopt Shireen. But I don’t think what I would like to happen is in fact what is likely to happen.

      The “theory” – which isn’t mine – that is most likely to prove true is the R+L = J one I believe.

      • Reply April 12, 2015

        Jamie Adair

        A Varys merman theory?? I’ll have to google it.

        I love this:
        >>I had a theory, or perhaps a “wish” more exactly, that Dany might fly over on Drogon at a dire moment for Shireen (though to date Book Dany has been nowhere near the wall and Show Dany only went there in the House of the Undying vision and not in person) and rescue Shireen, and that (if the witch’s prophecy that Dany can’t have anymore children remains consistent) Dany might adopt Shireen.

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